Trinity questioned

The Doctrine of Trinity has been questioned and doubted as long as it  exists. Millions of books are written about it even though there’s not one text in the bible about the relationship of a threefold in the Godhead, except one doubtable.

The only text which speaks about it in a certain sense is 1John5:7. But this is not to find in the most codex, only in a few newer ones. Erasmus doesn’t have it in his Greek compiled version of 1516, but was accused by the English Edward Lee for putting the door open to Arianism. So he added the “comma Johanneum” in his third edition of the Greek NT in 1522 in order to get this version accepted by the public. An interesting research is done about this topic by Grantly Robert McDonald. His new book is: ”Raising the Ghost of Arius. Erasmus, the Johannine Comma and Religious Difference in Early Modern Europe”. Here a Dutch article of a Reformed newspaper.

This doctrine has not done much profit to the common people of the church. I heard people doubt about who to pray to, God or Jesus. If this is the result of this doctrine it would be better never heard about it. Why do theologians bring people into the scary secret things of the Godhead? Isn’t it better to stay away from it like the Jews stay away from the Kabbalah were also is spoken about three persons in the Godhead? First keep Torah, don’t begin with Kabbalah.

But we, Western people, we want to comprehend God and put him into a rational understanding. We failed! Why aren’t the words of  the witnesses of the NT sufficient like in the letter to the Hebrews what says that Jesus is “the brightness of [Gods] glory, and the express image of His existence”? (Hebr.1:3) Why just let it be the plain statement “The Lord is One”? (Deut.6:4)

God is not to understand by such a doctrines, “Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit” (Za.4:6) It’s my prayer that Yeshua will reveal himself plain to the heard of his people. This is the right way to knowledge.


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6 Responses to “Trinity questioned”

  1. Lance Ponder Says:

    I would agree that the nature of God is mysterious. I would also agree that “trinity” is not found as such in scripture, apart from that dubious verse added to KJV and almost no others. I would further agree that making the trinity the focal point of an evangelistic conversation with a nonbeliever or the opening lesson in discipleship might not be the best move. Having said all that, it seems pretty clear that God reveals Himself to us as Father, and as Son, and as Holy Spirit. I don’t find other forms of God in scripture (NT or OT), nor can I find a way out of recognizing God in all three of these forms. So, while NT writers might not have ever used the word trinity, the doctrine itself is pretty well established through the context. imho, that is…

  2. faithbasedworks Says:

    Lance, thank you for your comment. I appreciate it. I also don’t condemn the doctrine itself. But it often draws a weird picture about Christianity. And that’s my concern. When it comes to troubles with respect to God or Jesus, I would prefer to speak about the oneness.

    The difficulty appears, I think, because of the divinity of Jesus. In a natural way we can not handle this. The Spirit is not as much a question. It is like the breath. It belongs to the person, so we can easily see it as one. There’s no doubt about the Ruach haKodesh.

    The appearance of God in the human body however is more difficult, and I think only to understand by believe, in fact true faith. In this form God enters time and place but He is even without time and place. What is more, He enters our own body and comes with the (beginning of the) restoration of Adam (ha Kadmon), putting a new willing, a newborn man inside. Yes it is mysterious but real. Some understand, some not.

  3. Rey Says:


    I also agree that G-d’s Oneness is very complex and hard to understand. I also agree that the crux of the situation is that Yeshua is Divine and yes we must let Scripture speak (all Scripture).

    Let us ask some questions? Who is Yeshua? Where does He come from? Scripture says that He is The Word and The Word was with G-d and The Word was G-d! If The Spirit is One with G-d, then it would also make sense to say that G-d’s Word is One with Him also. Jewish tradition tells us of G-d’s Eternal Word/Memra and it was a term used extensively in the Targums when G-d would manifest Himself.

    Now speaking on the subject of G-d’s Spirit and Moshiach (The Word) listen to this very interesting quote:

    R. Shim’on ben Laqish explained: “and the Spirit of G-d hovered over the face of the water (Gen. 1:2) – this is the Spirit of King Messiah, as it is written, And the Spirit of the Lord will rest upon Him (Isa. 11:2). By what merit will it [the Spirit of the Messiah] come?… By the merit of repentance.” -Genesis Rabba 2:4

    The concept of the preexistence of Moshiach accords with the general Talmudic view which holds that “The Holy One, blessed be He, prepares the remedy before the wound” (Babylonian Talmud, Meg. 13b).

  4. faithbasedworks Says:

    Shalom Rey,

    Thank you for your comment! You’re putting us to the right way. It really makes sense that when the Spirit is one with God, hence his Word also comes from the same being. The Word (memra/dabar/logos) can’t be spoken without the spirit/breath of the person. But here it is: The Person. Sometimes I think it’s easier to speak about one person. What do you think?

    About the Word: Nothing in this world exists without first has been spoken through the divine speech of HaSjem. Every creation in this world is trough the very Word of HaSjem. He spoke and everything was there.

    John shows us the special character of the Messiah: He is the Word and Spirit himself, the Dabar and the Ruach from God. He is the first and the last Prophet, the Aleph and the Tav, the complete and perfect word, without errors. The divine Torah, the perfect beauty, the Righteous One who heales the ill and raise the dead etc. Who is the Restoration of all things, who is the brightness of Gods glory.

    When shall it come? by the merit of repentance, as you quoted. Thanks for that.

  5. Rey Says:


    I agree with you and that we should always view this through the prism of Oneness – Deu.6:4.

    “How can they (the three) be One?
    Are they Truely One because we call them One?
    How Three can be One can only be known
    through the revelation of the Holy Spirit.” -(Zohar 2:43)

    I agree 100% with your post above!

  6. YAHnitarian #2 Says:

    Thankfully we live in the 21st century where the theocratic “Holy” Roman Empire is no more. So we can speak of these things openly without fear of suffering a horrific death like that of Servetus or any of the millions of Jews and “Christians” who fell by the hand of Rome.

    I agree with Anthony Buzzard that the trinity is Christianity’s self-inflicted wound. Not only does it have to be read INTO Scripture, it has been the subject of much persecution. IMO, it has driven a wedge between Jewish and Christian relations.

    If I were an Orthodox Jew and a “Christian” told me that I must accept Y’shua as Messiah AND the One God of Yisra’el, I’d scoff and walk away. To demand a Jew to accept Y’shua as YHWH would be to demand him to break the 1st commandment and trample the Sh’ma.

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